Jono: Welcome back to the Bite Me Nutrition podcast, Everyone, I'm very excited. Full disclosure. this is my first podcast Talking to another human being and what a human being to start with, I've got. I've got Dr. Tyler. I'm very, very excited for those of you who don't know what are you doing? I send so many questions her way on Instagram. I thought Look, I probably should formalized this and let's have a proper chat so I can ask all the questions. I'm going to let you introduce yourself. Please tell everyone who you are. What are you do and why do you do it?

Dr Kyla: I've been highly honored. Thank you. I am Dr Kyla. I'm a pediatric dietitian from Perth. I have been a dietitian for coming up twenty years now. I look so young, don't, and the proud owner and founder of baby meal times to the meal times, family meal times and school meal times, which are basically all memberships designed to support parents to feed their kids with confidence. Without any of the guild or the Information out there, I've worked in so many roles as a dietician, and I really have, kind of, in more recent years, stuck very much to this feeding kids thing. So how do we feed our family with confidence? That's what I do now.

Jono: Yeah, awesome and that's definitely know. when we start organized this. I was thinking back to how I came across you and I think it was I have kids and am a dietician, So I got a lot of pediatric and kid related nutrition questions and it's so not an area that I'm confident with And so I think enough of my followers got sick of me saying that In stories like it's not my thing. it's not my thing. you should go check out. She's great and started following you and instantly realized like what a amazing resource for such. Yeah, difficult nutrition space right. They've all got their own difficulties, but kids nutrition.

Dr Kyla: Yeah, it's tricky and there are a lot of people out there. I mean, as with any space, I think in the nutrition wellness world, there's lots of people telling parents and families lots of different things, very little of which is evidence based or helpful or empowering a lot of it. He's kind of creating worry and fear and you know panicing that you're doing a really poor job of feeding your kids And that's I am not here for that

Jono: I think that's the biggest difference in the dynamic is with kids nutrition. you've got the parent guilt extra layer, which is a very extreme extra layer. I think that's why you know looking at your individual nutrition is important. but when you're thinking about your kids nutrition and you want to do the best that you can by them, That's a very easy. I think, strong emotion to manipulate. Unfortunately. 

Dr Kyla: Absolutely, and we're all drowning in parental guilt of some sort, even when we're doing a brilliant job right like it. Kind of.

Jono: Yep. 

Dr Kyla: it's something that is kind of coming at us from our angles and it's really hard to turn off and I just do not think that any of us made more of that. He on top of it like we're all doing the absolute best we can for our kids, and I think that's absolutely okay.

Jono: Yeah, so I thought that's a good good, segued into what should be a very easy question.

Dr Kyla: Good.

Jono: How do I know if I'm feeding my kids properly? You know, like as a parent and is that even the right question? What are some things to please help?

Dr Kyla: Yeah, look, I think what we want to feed our kids essentially is what we're feeding ourselves. So feeding our kids family meals and sometimes having children S a bit of a kick at for us to look after ourselves a little bit better as well, Because what our kids learn is what we do. They don't learn what we say. they don't learn what other people say. They really learn what we do on the norm. So if you are generally doing a reasonable job of feeding ourselves and I am certainly not talking about perfection, I mean that you're Ting from the different food groups, You try and have a reasonable variety in your diet. Our beating yourself up about food or making it shameful problematic. Then you're probably doing a brilliant job of feeding you kids, And that's honestly all.

Jono: Yeah, I think that was again one of the biggest things that made me realize like when when I first came across you, it is that the standard that we set for ourselves can sometimes be unrealistic, And that's that's the problem. like

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: You

Dr Kyla: and

Jono: said,

Dr Kyla: kids

Jono: If you're

Dr Kyla: don't

Jono: just feeding

Dr Kyla: eat like

Jono: yourself,

Dr Kyla: robots right So

Jono: Oh no, they don't

Dr Kyla: if you're

Jono: Sometimes

Dr Kyla: trying to,

Jono: I wish

Dr Kyla: Oh, my gosh, but if you were trying to feed a perfect person like great, you can use all of that kind of perfection advice. But if you're feeding a real small, living breathing taming human, then actually it never goes as you think it will in your head. And you know the case of the bananas, like when you buy bananas because you're tother loves them yesterday, And then you have like forty five in your freezer waiting to make the banana bread that you ll never make like. That's what feeding a toddler is like. That's what feeding a young child is like a baby. Even so, yeah, I think it's I think we need to be more realistic in this space about. Yeah, what normal eating looks like?

Jono: The bananas the bananas and the like two thirds of an apple left those

Dr Kyla: Two thirds is rich. I would say like to bite an apple.

Jono: Yeah, that's true. I think I started composting literally because because of my children,

Dr Kyla: Very true.

Jono: and so, I guess with kids coming up through moving to solids, then day care school and having conversations around food with parents with cares with teachers and things. I have. definitely, my daughter just started prep, and we're already hearing the good food, bad food, healthy food on healthy food kind of conversations, which very trigger for me as a dietitian, But also how best do I approach that Without you know, I don't want to attack the teacher or attack the carer as they're just doing what they think is best. How can I navigate that chat with my kid,

Dr Kyla: In of alluded to this, and that first question about our job is actually not to make a big deal out of food. Kids are learning from what we're doing. We don't need to teach them about health. In fact, actually quite harmful to teach our kids about health, because they don't have the cognitive skills. the understanding, abstract thinking to really understand things like nutrition. It is very much an adult topic, and even then, you would say, like most of the adults that you not even work with you know, are confused By nutrition.

Dr Kyla: I would say the majority of our population thinks they know certain things about nutrition, but it is such an evolving gray niche area that it's impossible. I don't know as much I don't know about your area of nutrition. You don't know about mine is so much out there. So what I want us as a society ideally to stay away from its kind of fear mongering, teaching kids these facts about food. that actually just about scaring them. So the things like healthy unhealthy that every day. sometimes stuff All is saying, you need to eat less of this stuff. You need to eat more of these things in a way that is not helpful for it's like they're not the ones buying food, cooking meals, planning for things you know, taking into account their elegies or their preferences or all of those things, they're not the ones able to make you know decisions with their thinking part of their brain. It's not developed yet, so as a parent, I really want you to talk less about food. You can talk facturally, if In terms of it's called a caret and it's orange. You know, if there's a question, I would try also to descalate any conversations about healthy foods that come home from school Could say something very basic like we've got food by its name in our house. I'd call that cake and just kind of leave it at that. as you kids get older, you can definitely start to kind of hear their questions and gently disagree if you want to disagree with those things. But I think our power comes in actually taking the power out of those Versations because I don't want my kid eating a vegetable because she thinks it makes her a better person like that is, I think a pathway to disorder

Jono: M.

Dr Kyla: eating. I want her to eat a vegetable because we eat it regularly. She's got to a point that she knows that that's what we eat as part of our meals. She's tasted it because she's built up the confidence to, because she's actually wanted to, and then she continues eating it because that's what she does as opposed to. She's going to be a good girl, or she's going to get praise from somebody else to eat this. I think if you start Listening to that, that sounds like I don't want

Jono: Yeah, yeah,

Dr Kyla: our kids to be eating from a sense of guilt, so in short talk less deescalate, move away and change the subject.

Jono: Yeah, I love, Have never stopped to think just how many adults are confused by nutrition? And yet we're asking small children to try and comprehend this topic which you know

Dr Kyla: We're seeing it younger and younger

Jono: you're so right.

Jono: Yeah,

Dr Kyla: like we're seeing in day cares, two year olds, trying to start healthy and unhealthy food and good and bad food And they're like. What do you mean like? Are you know? are were teaching these kids that what their parents are giving them is unhealthy. Is that is that. Are we trying to like? It just makes no sense. On a very basic level, I can see like it's well intentioned people are trying to support health. But what we're probably missing is that this actually can cause harm and our like for In Australia, our rates have disordered eating, like a third of Australian adolescence. Have some kind of disordered eating pattern like that is terrifying and we need to be really really careful in childhood and adolescence to not add fuel to that fire,

Jono: Yeah, that's terrifying as a statistic.

Dr Kyla: Isn't it?

Jono: Yeah, yeah, so a question. I got a lot. I feel like Can already see where this answer is going. I do have parents worried about their kids body. come know their body fat

Dr Kyla: Yes,

Jono: levels for whatever reason. Often its thanks to a t. P, who maybe hasn't communicated as effectively as they could, or just parents that are worried.

Dr Kyla: Yes,

Jono: Mostly, I guess from a health perspective, Yes, Is the fitting in and that's a Hoeflyanother podcast. What do you do about that again? Is it one of those Dscdsculating, and taking the power out of it? or are there? how would you approach that?

Dr Kyla: So if you're concerned about your child's size, I think the first thing you have to keep in mind I do no harm. This is a really vulnerable point for kids, but also for parents. If somebody tells you that your child, the B m is too big, perhaps in their kind, screening, or if they tell you that some people have been told that they're two year old, checks that their child is too big and you need to limit portions. Those things are not what we need to do. What we need to do is support our kids. To feel comfortable in their book, Is to eat, listening to their body and to not think that we want them to change who they are right, Because what we know in the evidence you know in the science is that we have no good evidence that trying to change somebody's body shape or size actually is something that you can maintain for the long term right. The evidence around dieting or changing body composition is really really limited. and so for us to think That we can change our child's body, we just really can't And so one of the things we can think about. One of the things we can pro actively do is implement like the division of responsibility and feeding, which is a big part of what I teach in my programs. How do we help them to listen to their bodies without accidentally adding guilt or shame or trying to restrict them, Because we actually know that the more we try and restrict kids, the more we cut them off before they feel actually, for the more they have, n't urged to overeat Naku food, eat more than their body actually needs. And so we kind of got to be really careful to not get in their way with some of that and I think it's a really hard one. Lots of families I talk to are really concerned about the kids you know, being targeted for their size or how they look, And so you know, it's a legitimate fear like none of us want our kids to be bullied, but I also don't want our kids to think that they have to change their bodies to avoid being

Jono: Yeah,

Dr Kyla: bullied The same way that if they had red hair, I wouldn't be dying my child's hair so that they don't get bullied. If they had you know different colored skin, I wouldn't be trying to change their skin, so they didn't get bullied. What I would want to do is support them. Make sure that they know that I love them exactly as they are. There are things I can do to support the kind of routine of eating to set them up to trust their body. But actually there's you know. There's no diet or controlling or limiting. That's actually going a have any benefit,

Dr Kyla: Which is a tough one

Dr Kyla: It's really. it's a really tricky. This is a big part of family times. We have a lot of our body size, and for lots of us, it's actually a lot of our stuff right as adults like we've grown up in huge diet culture times. we've been told that like thin bodies are the best bodies that you need to look a certain way. You need to have more will power. You need to try harder. all of those things, and it's hard not to pass that on to our kids. But actually, if we can support them from the big Ning, know they all grow into the size that their body is going to be, and some kids are going to be bigger. Some kids are going to be smaller. That's okay.

Jono: Yeah, yeah, so it's again just coming back to those getting to trust themselves, get to trust their appetite, their cues, their surroundings, all of those sorts of things.

Dr Kyla: Basically like backing out in some of the decision making like we stay in charge of what's available for kids. So we provide. But they decided how much they need and it's up to us to actually trust them that sometimes they're going to need heaps to feel satisfied, and other times here gonna eat very little, and we kind of fluctuate, I think as parents in this feeding process, like at the beginning, lots of us want our babies to eat lots right, so that they'll they'll sleep overnight, ideally, and then into the world they go through this really slow growth period where they eat heat less than they. We're as a baby, and then we're trying to kind of get them getting them to eat more in our heads, And then when they're kind of hitting later childhood and puberty, it's like Oh no, we want you to eat less like No. And so we're sending

Jono: Yeah,

Dr Kyla: these kind of accidentally, these kind of mixed messages to kids about food, and so from the beginning the best thing that you can do is you stay in charge of kind of the routine and the menu. But you trust your child to know their body better than anybody else. There is nobody that can tell them when they've had enough other than them.

Jono: Yeah, your voice is in my head virtually every time I open my child's lunch box

Dr Kyla: Yes,

Jono: after school and again, just like a trained professional dietician and I, without sort of coming across your page, and then dealing into that world would be like, Should need anything today, Like what's going on or the next day she ate everything I need to send in more food, and sort of just trying to micro manage that, and I guess exactly right, Like what's the word I'm looking for? projecting my own appetite, My own feeding habits on to my five year old daughter. I think it's it's really helped.

Dr Kyla: Lot of us are worried about food wastage, or get that you know, in terms of food coming home and I would encourage you to, you know, with lunch boxes, make sure that they're cold and four setting icebergs and using cold pack, and you can re offer stuff for afternoon tea if you want to, but I would also argue it's as much wasted if your child feels like they have to eat it when they actually don't want it like that's wastage in itself. It's not goin be in, but it's going in them when they don't need that.

Jono: Yeah, Well, and then I guess you think you're trying to play the long game. Right of that, You're setting them up to what you want to set them up to understand their appetite and respond to it. If they're feeding

Dr Kyla: Absolutely.

Jono: past that point, it's probably not ideal, so yes, you've been very helpful with my stress levels at the end of school day.

Dr Kyla: I'm glad

Jono: with food. you can't help with Th other bits. But that's okay.

Dr Kyla: The matins after school. Oh my god, at the moment, Whoa,

Jono: Where yeh Because you. What's what grades your eldest?

Dr Kyla:Pre primary, which I don't know if it's the same, So she's five turning six.

Jono: Yeah, yeah, I think some in Queensland. you're in W. A. So

Queensland s prep, which is, so they still school five days a week

Dr Kyla: Yes, so pre primary here, which I think is prep.

Jono: Yeah, it sounds like prep. Yeah,

Dr Kyla: Yes, five days a week, which is so much such a big change from kindy

Jono: in terms of so, I guess I could trust kids know what they want, and like you said that no one is going to know their appetite and their requirements better than them. How does that apply to more kind of specific nutrition stuff? So for example, protein intake is something that pops up a lot. You know, Know kids don't know their macro's, nor should they, weighing their food out

Jono: Like? So I know. Obviously protein gets pushed and it's important, but as adults we get bombarded with the importance of protein. Is it important for kids? If so, how much? what do I need to do there?

Dr Kyla: Yeah, look, it's important in terms of a variety of foods is important, Including protein based foods in a child's diet is important, so that essentially includes any kind of meat products, so meat, chicken fish, those typical ones, plus any kind of vegetarian meat products, vegetarian product, anything like lentils, legumes, beans to food nuts seeds. Those kind of versions, plus dairy foods are a great source of protein for young kids, but actually find protean Most everything that children eat. and realistically well, it's something that parents worry about because I think there's a lot of type about protein. In reality, the statistics, they're a little bit old. but the statistics are that Australian children get about four times their protein requirements in a normal day, right. So the guidelines is around fourteen to eighteen grams for a young kid and they're getting about sixty often, and the older kids slightly more. so I don't think it's something that we need to be worried about unless your child has a very very restricted range of foods that you know, down to a couple of foods, none of which have any protein in them. And maybe then we would look at options, But for a kid who's just a typical fussy eater, you know, doesn't like meat. It's certainly protein is not a concern for me.

Jono: Yeah, awesome it comes up and good cave. Look, if anyone has a severe or very serious individual condition like that, May you don't get your nutrition advice from a podcast.

Dr Kyla: Excellent.

Jono: But yes, it's good to know for everyone else. So sorry was that even if they're not a fan of meat, but they eat a wide range of other things.

Dr Kyla: Yeah, absolutely, and if you have

Jono: Awesome.

Dr Kyla: a look at some of the stuff, I've got on my Iinstagram. There's a couple of examples of typical meals and what percentage of diet treat and takes they made. So like something like pen, but a sandwich and apple and a cookie like covers your protean requirement, so you know it's

Jono: Amazing.

Dr Kyla: way easier than we think, but part of that is because of marketing, right, because everyone wants to sell you a kids protein shake or you know something you have to buy, and actually going like normal food is fine.

Jono: Yeah, but if normal food is fine, how am I going to sell my line of kid supplements?

Jono: Actually? Speaking of another question, I gonna tone around supplements. Is the gummys, like the vitamin gums, the multi vitamangumms, the Mega Three gummis, I guess yeh, do they have a place in healthy kids nutrition? Or is it very much an individual basis?

Dr Kyla: It's such a tricky. I would like to coherently formulate my thoughts about gums, but it's little triggering. and look at best, they're unlikely to be harmful and they're expensive. You know, at worst, I think it concerns me with the culture of having to take something to fix something that maybe isn't even a problem, especially when they're designed as a lolly and they're covered in sugar. I have a. I feel like that's a complex

Dr Kyla: thing that we're saying like here at the beginning of the day. Have these two lilies like with message With all of the other messages were sending? You know like I have no issue

Jono: Not a great message.

Dr Kyla: with lollies. I don't think Lollie a problem. I think we can confidently include them in kids diet without making a big fan fair. But know as soon as you start giving them as medication, I feel uncomfortable with the gummy. in general, I mean some of them you have to take quite a few. Like the fish oil examples, you have to take at least three Of those, and part of that is because disguising true good amount of fish oil in a tablet is really hard

Dr Kyla: and so like, maybe with the fish all, there's a little bit of potential if your family eats no fish, And that's something you're concerned about. But three gums a day. you're buying a pack O Know every week Really to be managing that, so I would ask. Is there actually easier ways of incorporating fish in your diet that would actually be cheaper on Benefit everybody? Like That's just going for one kid right, But then you know some of them are like, But there's one gummy that's pretty much made up of honey, And so that's immune defence and that just feels yuck

Dr Kyla: that are kind of multi vitamin plus veggies, I think is just hitting us all where we're worried right like, Oh, my child doesn't eat veggies. I'm sure this five gram powdered thing inside of sugar will help and it won't that

Jono: Replace it,

Dr Kyla: that is not replacing anything like that is purely coming As we. That is like a berocca, you know for kids,

Jono: Yeah,

Dr Kyla: and they just don't need that if your child is very restricted, Like if they don't eat a wide range of things, they're very limited in their diet, Then I would never be prescribing a gamy as a first guy if I was seeing somebody in a clinic that would not be my first port of cool. And if that is a worry for you, a really encourage you to see a pediatric diatition work through. Like are we actually is deficiency of problem here, Do I to use an actual therapeutic? It's of a supplement to correct that, and particularly like, I think, the iron ones as a range of iron, kind of gummy, which are relatively new because

Jono: M

Dr Kyla: it was impossible to flavor iron to a point that you could have basically any iron and actually 

Jono: Not rust.

Dr Kyla: have a job.

Jono: Yeah,

Dr Kyla: But if your child has iron efficiency or they have a low ferritin level, they're going to do absolutely nothing. So you need a therapeutic dose of iron at that point, which is a calculated dose based on your child's Weight. Their level of deficiency like your g. P, needs to give you a very specific amount of a very specific supplement, so from that point you know if you're taking dummies, you feel like they're working for your kids. They're probably unlikely to be doing any harm, but I certainly wouldn't be like. Go out and buy them

Jono: Yeah, it sounds fairly similar to just vitamin and mineral supplements for all of us

Jono: Yeah, are you trying to tell me that there's not like that? More is not better Because

Dr Kyla: How strange.

Jono:I don't know.

Dr Kyla: what a message

Jono: I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that.

Dr Kyla: Look. I think there's even supplement that are like day care like this will help your kids that day are with their.

Jono: Immune defense

Dr Kyla: yeah, that's a complete life. That is, that is not true. so yeah, don't feel like there's anything thats going to magically stop your kid coming home from day care every second week with some kind of irus, Because that's just a part of parenthood

Jono: It was literally the reason I wanted to talk to you today I wanted to, so there's nothing that. There's no powder

Dr Kyla: Like it's the basic right, it's like try and help your kids have good sleep. Get outside. you know, eat a range of foods without being obsessive about it. The one I think you mentioned Vitamin D before if you are in a part of the world where you don't have access to enough sunlight in the day, like it would probably be worth getting vitamin day levels tested and supplement. if you need to, I'm not a fond of supplementing, just in case there is no evidence to say that that

Jono: M.

Dr Kyla: will help in any way.

Jono: Yeah, still disappointed about the day care thing, but okay,

Dr Kyla: Are we all, my friend?

Jono: A killer. So if my kid, my kids aren't eating veggies or they're not

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: eating enough veggies, whatever that means, And so gummies are out.

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: What do I do? Should I be worried? Please help.

Dr Kyla: I mean, look, veggies are an awesome food group. As a dietitian, You know we all love veggies, they're not the be all and end all. And and if your kid eats fruit, it's most likely that they're getting the same kind of nutrients that they would be getting for Veg. would one hundred percent still encourage you to serve them to have them part of our regular meals. All of those things that we would do to help them like veggies, In the long run, You definitely don't need to force veggies, You certainly don't need to hide them in magic bean cakes or whatever it is You want to make. I mean, if you want to, and you enjoy those all power to you, but don't like. you have to disguise them. If you try to know fruit and verges whatsoever, then I'd be checking in with the paediatric dietitian and be working. Is there something we could give them? It's very unlikely to be a gummy, but is there some kind of supplement that would help them while we still expose them without kind of making a big fan fair without forcing them to eat it so that they can learn to like those foods over time.

Jono: Yeah, I think that was the biggest shift for me again. Have kid learn how to do stuff, the pressure or trying to take the pressure off. You need to finish that. You know all the stuff that we were kind of raised with again. Parents were just doing the best what they knew at the time right. But now that we know that you don't have to finish your play and I think everyone knows that, but I think we may be. Don't always take it far enough to be like you don't just have to not finish your plate. Actually, Don't have to eat your ves

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: at every meal for a long period of time. And it's funny. I feel like we know this with other aspects with toddlers like we don't try and force them to do things because we know that more we push, the more they dig their heels in. But then we come to meal times and we just kind of yeah, but we don't apply that same logic at meal, and like I do not apply that same logic at meal times, but it's comforting

Dr Kyla: Absolutely, they won't do it.

Dr Kyla: there's some of that guilt in there. Right is like. Oh, I'm a good parent. If my child eats all their veggies like that is a direct reflection of what

Jono: Totally

Dr Kyla: I'm doing, right or wrong, which it isn't like. If you have a child who, It's a range of green vegetables like amazing. But that's probably not because you had a magical thing that you did like. That's probably because you got a magical unicorn child.

Jono: Just

Dr Kyla: Right.

Jono: got lucky.

Dr Kyla: Part of young childhood is being fussy about food is learning to really like something, the Liking it for a while and coming back to it's tasting things, bidding them out, not wanting to eat them. But you know a hundred exposures. Those things are normal parts of childhood eating, and so we can get rid of all of that rubbish judgment beating ourselves up if our kid doesn't eat the types of things you know we see in blogs or Instagram, or all of those things like that's That's not real. What your child is doing is normal and real. And but there are people out there who can support you To feel confident about that right to know what to expect. Ride the wave To have some strategies about how to handle those things, But it's actually never our job to make them do it like we're playing a long game. We want them to be kids, who in the end become adults who confidently eat a range of food who look after their body because that's what they do rather than us, kind of having to police them with their eating.

Jono: Yeah, yeah, and so with, like you mentioned the changing tastes and preferences one day they're like one. you know, So the bananas or I'm sure we've been though that with all different foods, should I be adjusting what I offer based on what's coming back or how their preference is changing? Should I be keeping things kind of consistent?

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: What I

Dr Kyla: our

Jono: do

Dr Kyla:job

Jono: there?

Dr Kyla: is to be consider it without catering to their individual whim, Right, So

Jono: Yeah, okay,

Dr Kyla: our job is to make sure that in a meal that we serve to them pretty confident that there's something that they can eat easily Right. it's not our job to kind of force them into eating something because we provide nothing else. Actually, kids feel more confident in trying new food when they have something there that's a bit of a safety net. and maybe for a while they just eat that safe food. they just eat there. You know, bread on the side of the meal that we've been serving for a while, but only when they feel comfortable and confident that that meal isn't going to hurt them, or jump off the plate and leap into the mound themselves Like that's when they can have a goal or have a nibble. and if we're not kind of watching like we're watching a show and applauding and you know making a big deal out of it, they can actually learn to like that on their own terms, And that's like that's a hard thing to trust at first, and I think The longer you're parent, the more you do it, the more you realize. I, actually, it's not my job to make my kid do a thing like I can actually trust them with most of these things. I set up the environment, but I can never make them behave in a certain way. And so that's what I want our kids to do Is actually to choose voluntarily to eat a range of foods from the food that we offered. Our Job is to be considerate, but not to serve up just a platter of favorite foods every time,

Jono: Yeah, awesome

Dr Kyla: And sometimes

Jono: again.

Dr Kyla: that will change right like toddlers. If they've eaten a banana like cool, I'll put the banana and then today they act like you're poisoning them with this banana. It's okay to roll with that like Okay, Maybe we're off that for a minute. I'll include it again, but alongside another easy food And see if that's just a today thing. Is this an ongoing thing we don't want to stop offering? Right if you stop offering food,

Jono: M

Dr Kyla: your child has no chance to learn to continue to like it, but we never have to get it exactly right in the same way that you never Have to get the right amount in a lunch box. Like sometimes you might not pack enough, and so they'll eat more, perhaps at dinner, Perhaps next week they will compensate. Sometimes you might pack too much, and that's cool. They can compensate by eating some of it at afternoon tea. You can do your best, but you certainly don't have to like. Get it right every time.

Jono: Music to my ears, because

Dr Kyla: M.

Jono: five years still. Yeah, maybe get it right one day a month, which

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: I guess right is not even the right time. is it

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: Yea, which is again a huge adjustment with being apparent because you want to be right and give your kids the best. And then when someone turns around and says it's not really a best. Really What I do with that.

Dr Kyla: Exactly

Jono: How do I win?

Dr Kyla:what do you do with that?

Jono: Yeah, Conscious of your time, Because it's been amazing and talking to other human beings been fantastic and being able to just ask you, we talked beforehand and you joked about how. So I put up a question box in Instagram and ask people to ask me all the questions, And I mentioned that a few of them were maybe a bit too individualized, And you said that I was just trying to cheat and just pretend that I'd asked for questions from the group and I'm just asking all that, which is like maybe ninety percent true. but I

Dr Kyla: This is a personal Steedman consult, right, you'll pay me later

Jono: basically yeah, you can send me that. Basically, I'd say a solid half of the question box was like No question. Just tell us she's great. So lots

Dr Kyla: Your

Jono: of

Dr Kyla: followers

Jono: love.

Dr Kyla: are the

Jono: Lots

Dr Kyla: barras

Jono: of. I think, lot of them from you. So look, just the Ven diagram is working.

Dr Kyla: A cross over.

Jono: but yeah, lots, lots of lots of love. One other question that did come through, which I would miss if I didn't ask who's going to in Survivor,

Dr Kyla: I don't believe in survival. No, I'm very much a block person and

Jono: This person.

Dr Kyla: other realities.

Jono: I know, the block I've seen that, but you're a block

Dr Kyla: I

Jono: pure.

Dr Kyla: just have no comment. I feel like I actually did want to get into survival in recent years, but I feel like I missed the boat like I had to be on ten years ago, Righ

Jono: It feels like one of those shows that you're coming in and you don't know all of intricate

Dr Kyla: The

Jono: back

Dr Kyla: strategy?

Jono: story.

Dr Kyla: I don't know the

Jono: The

Dr Kyla: strategy,

Jono: fair.

Dr Kyla: so no, I have nothing. sorry.

Jono: That's okay, So this is why go to

Dr Kyla: Now

Jono: be careful

Dr Kyla: that people

Jono: with

Dr Kyla: don't love me any

Jono: the

Dr Kyla: more

Jono: crowd

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Jono: finding

Dr Kyla: the card,

Jono: question. I'm going to go out and Lem and say there's probably not a huge survivor. I'm gonna anyway, moving on before offside Rounding up like we've covered a bunch of things around how to approach fussy eaters or how to start introducing food. And I know we've just scratched the surface. So what's next? Where can we get more information And where can we find you? Where can we follow? Like when should we be? when the next black block season goes? Where do we go to get the highlights? Tell me everything

Dr Kyla: I'll just apologize, because I've got outside my window spreading the side of my house. It's a little bit noisy, but you can find me on Instagram at score, Kyle, and that's where you find all block content, the important niche content that I offer. but I would love to invite you to work further with me if that's something that would feel good for you and your family. So I've got a range of services. You can find all of them on meal time dot com Dot you, you've got a baby baby is the best baby. Meal times is the best start. If you got a toddler the meal time, And if you've got a school age child, then family meal times is the next option and then school school mealtimes Dot com, Dot is our. That's not right. mealtimes, Dot com dot Fordslash, school, Sorry is kind of advocacy. Get to the business And so that's like free advice for families about how to approach their schools. Dacaecenters, child centers To see some evidence base change in how we talk about food, how we manage lunch boxes. All those kinds of things, So You like some more support. You can head that, but meal times, dot com Dot is the best place to start.

Jono: That's the home. See everything

Dr Kyla: That's the

Jono: everything

Dr Kyla: home

Jono: stems

Dr Kyla: of all

Jono: from

Dr Kyla: of

Jono: there.

Dr Kyla: them and then you can choose your own adventure from there.

Jono: Love that, of course, as they say, link it all in the show notes. So if you don't

Dr Kyla: Professional.

Jono: want to google things like rate subscribe,

Dr Kyla: Yeah,

Jono: Can you even like a podcast? Everyone says like, I don't think you can like anyway. I guess it depends on the platform, but yes, absolutely link those things in the show Notes below. I can't remember if we've reference other things, but if we have linked those as well, but

Dr Kyla: Sure thing,

Jono: Kyle, thank you so much for coming on Been blast. I have has always learned a bunch of things. I can't wait to listen to it again and learn even more things. Thank you so much.

Dr Kyla: My absolute pleasure. thanks for having me.